I have a few visible spider veins on my lower leg that I want treated with foam sclerotherapy. However, the doctor wants me to do endovenous laser treatment before the sclerotherapy. According to him, my vein is way too large and if I do the sclerotherapy first, they will reappear. Is this true?
No. Any vein properly treated by Sclerotherapy will disappear, irrespective of the presence or absence of a Saphenous Vein - or whether it is competent or insufficient. If you want to have Spider Veins or Reticular Varicose Veins treated because of their appearance, you may do so and they will not return.
Spider Veins and Reticular Varicose Veins are almost never the direct consequence of Saphenous Vein insufficiency. They are usually familial. That is, Spider Veins and Reticular Varicose Veins can be present in the absence of Saphenous insufficiency and Saphenous insufficiency can be present without Spider Veins and Reticular Varicose Veins.
If a Saphenous Vein is treated by endovenous ablation, the existing Spider Veins and Reticular Varicose Veins will persist, unchanged.
Are you have any symptoms associated with your Saphenous Vein insufficiency? What is the size of your Saphenous Vein and what is the extent of its reflux?
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If unwanted surface veins are being fed by a larger vein below the surface, the latter vein must first be treated for durable results. If the surface veins are unrelated to any deeper diseased veins, then it is acceptable to perform sclerotherapy first.
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Yes, that is usually true.
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You should be aware that most leg vein blood exits the leg via the saphenous vein. If that vein is incompetent, blood can't efficiently be removed from the leg. Size may or may not be an issue, but symptoms like swelling, pain, and heaviness usually are. Most spider veins in the drainage zone from that saphenous vein will experience impaired drainage and higher venous pressure, and be resistant to sclerotherapy. By the way, spider veins should not be treated with foam, as the side effects are increased, and there is no advantage using foam in veins less that 4 mm diameter. It sounds like you need to obtain more info before leaping.
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Whether sclerotherapy or endovenous laser ablation is performed first, depends on your history. Do you have leg pain? Have you had an ultrasound to map out your veins? If you have large veins with reflux, it means you have venous insufficiency. In this case, it is better to do endovenous laser treatment first to close the source of faculty veins, then close the smaller vein. You will have better results when done in this order. Not only will your legs look better, but your leg discomfort will improve.
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I need a little more information. Do you have reflux in the veins? I can't advise more until I get more details.
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Yes, this is true. The sclerotherapy either won't work, or the veins will recur within weeks to months. In some cases, the sclerotherapy can even worsen the appearance of your spider veins if the larger "feeder" vein is not treated first.
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There is a very good chance they will reappear since those spider veins have a source and that source is probably those bigger saphenous veins or other deeper varicose veins that are big enough to ablate. The ablation is more effective than the sclerotherapy.
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They may reappear but if cost is a factor I will do the sclerotherapy first.
For some patients this is an acceptable way to go if they understand the
sclerotherapy may not be as successful. Not everyone needs to have an EVLT
if they are not symptomatic.
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Definitely get a second opinion. Only need to close the GSV if there is significant reflux and dilation of the vein. This may be the case but an independent ultrasound could confirm this.
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It is difficult to answer that question without assessing the type and size
of the veins that you need treated and if you have an underlying condition
of venous insufficiency. We encourage you to make an appointment for a
consultation with a board certified vein specialist.
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If you have underlying insufficiency, sclerotherapy alone will have a high recurrence rate.
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An important concept in vein treatment is to treat the larger abnormal veins first. If there is a saphenous vein with reflux in the region where the spider veins are located, the saphenous vein should be treated first.
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Very possible. Sometimes a bad underlying vein needs to be treated first to prevent reverent veins.
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Your surgeon is correct that in the presence of a large refluxing saphenous vein spider veins can reappear. Sclerotherapy is usually limited to more superficial spider and "feeding" reticular veins or deeper perforator veins.
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Evlt could be indicated is you have underlying severe reflux. If the reflux is sealed, then sclerotherapy is more successful. However, if you only have a few spiders then an attempt at sclero treatment is indicated realizing that if sclerotherapy fails, then EVLT should be considered.
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If your doctor has properly diagnosed with an ultrasound of your leg veins that you have venous reflux/venous insufficiency, then will be much better to do EVLT of the abnormal refluxing veins first and then sclerotherapy of your spiders. The results will be better and? longer lasting.
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